Cranach - The Virgin and Child with St John as a boy
The Virgin and Child with St John as a boy
Lucas Cranach the Elder
Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, Coburg
01.10.2020 - 03:38
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Painting:
CDA ID / Inventory NumberDE_BRD-KSVC_M337
Persistent Linkhttp://lucascranach.org/DE_BRD-KSVC_M337
FR (1978) No.FR-none
Title:
The Virgin and Child with St John as a boy[CDA 2010]
Attribution:
Lucas Cranach the Elder [Cat. Coburg 2018, 40] [Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, revised 2010]
Dating:
about 1512 - 1514[Cat. Coburg 2018, 40]
about 1514[Heydenreich, CDA, 2010]
about 1530[Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, revised 2010]
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Owner / Repository / Location:
OwnerFederal Republic of Germany
RepositoryKunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, Coburg
LocationCoburg
Dimensions:
Dimensions of support: 67.4 x 45.4 cm [Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, revised 2010] Dimensions of support: 67 x 45.5 cm [Maedebach, Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1972, No. 4]
Support:
Painting on lime wood [Cat. Coburg 2018, 40] [Klein report, 03.03.2016] [Maedebach, Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1972, No. 4]
Signature / Date:
Artist's insignia top left at the edge: winged serpent; in yellow paint. [Maedebach, Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1972, No. 4]
Inscriptions, Marks, Labels, Seals:
Reverse of the panel: - at the bottom bevelled edge of the original panel (the seal was probably moved from the original panel to this position when the panel was cradled):wax seal: Mandl von Deutenhofen (?) - on the moveable members stamps and inscriptions: '45/67' (dimensions); 'G. 928' (the mistranscribed Berchtesgaden number from the CCP-index card 829), 'AG 35' - stamp 'FD 12' [Cat. Coburg 2018, 40]
Description:
The Virgin is depicted as a half-length figure sitting in a landscape with a castle on a rocky crag to the left. [Maedebach, Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1972, No. 4]
Provenance:
- Mandl von Deutenhofen, Schloß Tüßling, Upper Bavaria (?)
- before 1926 the property of Herr L. Rosenthal (The Burlington Magazine 1937)
- 1926 art market, London, first Mellaert, then Bottenwieser [Friedländer, Rosenberg 1932]
- 1937 London, Matthiesen Ltd., art dealer
- before 1941 Galerie Neupert, Zurich or Galerie Tanner, Zurich
- 1941 Galerie Fischer, Lucerne [1][2]
- 25.2.1941 from there an exchange was made with Hermann Göring for confiscated paintings from the ERR (exchange value sfrs. 50.000) (Göring Report, p. 129, Att. 53; 457-08-68 Fischer Rev. Ber. 17.8.1946, p. 10, Rev. Ber. 19.4.1952, p. 18; Schr. Saxer 28.1.1949, appendix)[1][2]
- formerly 'Reichbesitz', 5877
- since 1966 on permanent loan from the Federal Republic of Germany to the Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg

[1]Göring Collection: DHM-database:
http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/goering/dhm_goering.php?seite=5&fld_0=RMG00492
[2]http://www.badv.bund.de/DE/OffeneVermoegensfragen/Provenienzrecherche/Provenienzen/Daten/5000_5999/5877.html (accessed 28.01.2015)
[Cat. Coburg 2018, 40]

See also the entry in the Lost Art-database, Stiftung Deutsches Zentrum für Kulturgutverluste: Lost Art-ID 220360; http://www.lostart.de/DE/Fund/220360 (accessed 17 Dec. 2019).
Exhibitions:
Coburg 1972, no. 1
Rome 2010, no. 49
Sources / Publications:
Reference on PageCatalogue NumberFigure/Plate
Cat. Coburg 201840-443Pl. p. 41, Fig. 1
Weschenfelder 2018 A14
Luca 201743
Exhib. Cat. Rome 2010280-281No. 49Pl. p. 281
Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1972No. 4
Exhib. Cat. Coburg 1969No. 1
Material / Technique:
  • Date: 2018
  • Technical Examination
  • Support
  • - lime wood
    - three vertically aligned planks. Plank I: 10 cm; plank II: 16 cm; plank III: 19.4 cm
    - the original painted edge has been preserved along the bottom. The bottom edge exhibits a 1.6 cm bevel on the reverse.
  • Ground and Imprimatura
  • - chalk ground
    [Cat. Coburg 2018, 40]
      • Date: 03.03.2016
      • Technical examination / Scientific analysis
      • Dendrochronology / identification of wood species
      • Support
      • Identification of wood species: lime wood (Tilia sp.).

        [Klein report, 03.03.2016]
        • examined by: Peter Klein
        • Date: 01.09.2010
        • Technical examination / Scientific analysis
        • Infrared reflectography
        • Lucas Cranach the Elder - Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, Coburg - The Virgin and Child with St John as a boy - Infrared Images
        • Underdrawing
        • DESCRIPTION

          Tools / Materials:
          - fluid dark medium, brush (?); possibly in combination with dark chalk

          Type/Ductus:
          - freehand underdrawing ?
          - occasional thin, long and unbroken lines

          Function:
          - binding for the final painted version; lines where visible delineate contours, define shapes and features; no representation of volume

          Deviations:
          - a few, minor alterations made during the painted version: Christ’s feet

          INTERPRETATION

          Attribution:
          - not possible

          Comments:
          - possibly transferred from a pre-existing design?

          [Smith, Sandner, Heydenreich, cda 2012]
          • photographed by: Gunnar Heydenreich
          • photographed by: Ingo Sandner
          Condition Reports:
          • Date: 2018
          • Support: - thinned with a toothed plane - the top and left edges have been cropped - a cradle made from oak wood and sapele mahogany was glued to the reverse with PVA. Varnish: - the painting has a glossy resin varnish, which was probably applied repeatedly with a brush. The strong fluorescence of this layer restricts the identification of retouches under UV light to a few relatively new ones. [Cat. Coburg 2018, 40]
            • Date: 2010
            • - cradled [Kunstsammlungen der Veste Coburg, revised 2010]